they allow the marginal rates on earned income to go back to the clinton levels. in that proposal, as i understand it, dividends and cap gains rise modestly to 20%. i think anybody that's looked that the will tell you the mix of rates and deductions and tax treatment of dividends, capital gains now is unaffordable for the country. the current mix we have in current policy is unaffordable. we're going to have to alter that mix. we've laid out the best way we think to do that. if we did that, i think you'd see alongside sensible spending reforms. you'd see very good outcomes for the american economy. the american economy right now looks very resilient. the biggest thing that stands in the way of much significant strength in growth is this uncertainty about how to reach an agreement. >> what's the right rate for dividends and capital gains? >> in the senate bill, you see there's a proposal to let them go to 20. that's certainly one way to do it. ultimately, you have to look at the overall mix of tax treatment, investment income -- >> is there a number that's too high